Thursday, April 2, 2009

[INFO] black panda, BLUE CRS 4/2/09 update

Mr Kuku (coolshrimps) talks about BLACK PANDA

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Black Pandas

Black Pandas (BP) and Red Pandas(RP) were originated from the south of Taiwan about three years ago. The strain was not a hybrid but rather a mutation from White Crystal Red Shrimps (CRS). The genetic make up is still uncertain. But from what I had observed, black is dominant, and red as recessive, possibly autosomal recessive. I had approximately 1/4 of RP from two BP parents in a few of the drops. But other breeders claimed to have no Red Pandas from many of their drops.

Black was never a popular color among aqua enthusiasts in Taiwan, and hence, was never really seemed as 'prized' aqua pets. However, in Japan, black shrimps--Black Diamonds, Dark Blue Tigers--really took over popularity recently over traditional CRS. And now with the introduction of BP, Japanese shrimp breeders went into a frenzy that hasn't being seen since MFF introducing Hinomanu in four years ago. Black is the now the most sought-after color among shrimp enthusiasts in Japan.

Breeders can produce Black Pandas in two ways: BP x BP or BP x black and white CRS. BP X BP will certainly give you at least 75% BP, with up to 25% RP. The latter carries a low percentage, possibly less than five percent.

The survivability in BP is relatively weak as compared to CRS, especially with pregnant females. Eggs carrying females die easily. Weak survival gene, without a question, will be one of the major factors that will sustain the popularity of BP for some time to come.

Apr. 1st, 2009

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Update - 3/6/2009

The 1/9/09 information about the mutant of CRS, CBS should be not mostly correct ~
About the part of Black King Kong and Wine Red where they from.

Most of the people know about Wine Red, and black king Kong. but where they come from?
I asked a Wine Red breeder, he said 2 years ago he got first one from CBS. And the recently hot Black King Kong many said it is from CBS as well and carry blue gens!

Wine Red quite sure is from CBS(should contain CRS gens), some information said Black King Kong s from CBS (should contain blue gens) as well.

Why black ? it leaded me thinking of the origins of colors as RGB /CMYK

So, CBS seem can derivative any other colors ?
I think the potential of the CRS/CBS is not limited Red and Black, now ~ Some started derive a Blue GWS. So, colors would be possible to grow more. Green/Yellow.
smile.gif may be time to start a Colony with mixed Color ~ It may have chances of making other colors on your first hand smile.gif


Black King Kong and Wine Red are very interesting mutant!
Their price is not that high as before, because some breeder already success breeding BKK and WR.
The latest one is Blue CRS!

Here is the post about the mutant BLUE color CRS from a member of coolshrimps.

pictures are from URL:

As I see the CRS market still prefer on original CRS, vivid blood red and thick white.
CRS gens are stable for many years; mutant's CRS is not that stable as CRS.

Colors of CRS :
Traditional Red
Whole Red, Whole Black, Whole White
Wine Red, Black King Kong (panda) , Blue CRS

*other species animals to create another different colors
Example :
Red Toy Poodle's ancestor are white and Black toy Poodle.
CRS original from Black Bee to red and white.
Golden White from CRS.

so, it may be a lead to us. After the Golden White appear 2-3 years, the raise of the other mutant colors are appearing within 1-2 years.
I think Golden White may be a key to other color.
CBS can become Wine Red.
CBS = Black King Kong (panda),
Golden White + CBS = Blue CRS.

GWS has 3-4 types:
GWS from pure GWS, snow white
GWS breed from CBS, GWS's shell some appear little blue.
GWS breed from CRS, GWS's shell some appear little red/pink.

Wine Red is from GWS carry little red + keep breeding with CRS.
BLUE CRS is from GWS carry blue gens + keep breeding with CBS.

But the chance to breed mutant offspring may be .001%, so large quantity may has more chance.

2 Ways of using their nice mutant color :
1) choose the most vivid one breed back CBS/CRS to get extreme solid piece.
2 ) When 1 pair of mutant offspring appear, keep them together and breed.
but mostly the first pair of mutant is very fragile since the unstable gens.
Stabilizing their gens for generation, then they will like GWS, or the first group of CRS.

I think this is interesting in CRS evolution history!
Like Human skins color: White, Yellow, Black, Red.

Are different species' gens have the similarities?

All above are my ideas only, I haven't breed any mutant yet, beside keeping GWS with CRS around 3-4 generation now. Some info I read from coolshrimps forum.

Tuesday, March 31, 2009

Monday, March 9, 2009

[CRS] Taiwan origin "Black King Kong"

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Taiwan origin "Black King Kong" crs

black King Kong
bidders end price 300,000(with eggs)
bidders end price 402,000(with eggs)
bidders end price 129,000(w/o eggs)
bidders end price 157,000(w/o eggs)
bidders end price 470,000(with eggs)
bidders end price 505,000(with eggs)
bidders end price 324,000(w/o eggs)
bidders end price 750,000(with eggs)
bidders end price 360,000(w/o eggs)
bidders end price 760,000(with eggs) ( USD 7, 686 )

1 JPY = 0.0101051 USD

1 USD = 98.9601 JPY

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A dead Black King Kong
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2. After catching the Black King Kong a while, my thumb appear of blue liquid. This is the color just leak from the shrimp.
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the color, after 1 hr
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Saturday, March 7, 2009

[CARE] Mixing CBS/ CRS

CRS was a temped / weakness gens of wild Black Bee shrimp.
CBS and CRS are coming from same gens family.

The reason why CRS is much more popular than CBS at before, because the first breeder of CRS from Japan are originally want to make the CRS's pattern as Japanese flag which white background and red sun.
That is similar pattern as S+, I call it red dot body pattern.

In my opinion, CRS are even far more than original Black Bee than CBS since the color are different from black. CRS are more fragile than CBS in someways.

Do you have a picture of the Shrimplets?

Mixing CBS/CRS together has 2 opposite opinions:
1) 1 side of saying CRS are from temped and stabilize gens shouldn't mix other color to intervene stabilize gens, it would affect the whiteness/redness.
2) 2nd side of saying CRS's weakness shrimps, need to adding new blood/ gens CRS to strengthen back. After awhile of breeding CRS, you will find some weakness CRS, their characteristic of never grow bigger than 1cm / some female won't berry / some CRS appear pinkish transparent.
2A ) It does create coffee color's CRS like Red+black in low % and it your choice of how to handle it. You can pick 2 coffee breed and breed coffee colony or gave up coffee pieces.

so, if you a breeder serious about CRS blood line, 1st should be your choice - Separate tank. If you a breeder just want to keep healthy CRS, 2nd should be your choice.

I am mixing them together and I haven't seen coffee pieces yet.

CBS and CRS are same grading system.
In my opinion, CBS are more vivid color.

If you wanna find out the secret of CBS / what to do with CBS, >> <<

Other forum's opinion of CBS/CRS (AI's Bill):

b be red recessive
B be black dominant (diamond/bee shrimp)

When you cross:

Rxb=Bb+Bb+Bb+Bb -> all are black

Bbxb=bb+Bb -> 50% are black, 50% are red

bxb=bb+bb+bb+bb -> all are red"

Sunday, March 1, 2009

Newly grown CRS:
Walking through Sulawesi Erio

Barley straw pellet :


Wednesday, February 25, 2009

[CARE] A water cycle

For a Water Cycle (N cylce from when we are doing the cycle of the tank, need to go through stage 1-3 (N cylce from
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1) NH3/ NH4 deadly to CRS.
2) NH4 (aerio bacteria) --> NO2, this process bacteria need O2 (air pump) and the bacteria can is ok to light.
3) NO2 (aerio bacteria)-> NO3 should be around the same process in step2, a filter and O2 (air pump) is good for this.

The last step 4 :

"Nitrates are not as harmful to tropical fish as ammonia or nitrites, but nitrate is still harmful in large amounts." (from
and this is the most common problem for CRS breeders keeping NO3 below 25ppm
4) NO3-> back to tank / in air <--- this need anaerobic bacteria
(they prefer no light and no O2 to process )

"In saltwater fish tanks, live rock and deep sand beds can have anaerobic areas where denitrifying bacteria can breakdown nitrates into harmless nitrogen gas that escapes through the water surface of the aquarium. "(from

Since my problem is high NO3 and the problem is from step 4,
I did the DIY, is strengthening Step 4 and providing larger environment for anaerobic bacteria thats why I use black tube and a long slow flow tube with running out of O2 (since the tube is at the end of the canister step2,3 the bacteria use it) and this is the reason I attach the tubing at the end of the canister.

Also, UGF can kind of turning the substract to a bacteria grow area. and i only use 2/3 area of the tank as UGF. left side without UGF mainly for plant and for grown anaerobic bacteria (susbtract lack of light). Right side is for aerobic bacteria grow. here is how and why I use UGF.

Then after running it 2-3weeks. before NO3 is 25-35ppm, the DIY did lower to Zero.

Thats about how its work,
if u have a same NO3 problem, here is my suggestion DIY that cost only the long black tubing for $15 from internet and a hole of the outflow.

but i didn't use it anymore, since my other pre fiter can do the same work.
from 20L thread

Tuesday, February 24, 2009

[CRS] CRS with Erio

Erio with CRS
I like this this picture

Hanging on the Erio

Running into black hole of the Erio

Little shrimplet floating on the erio

Taking a dine on the erio

photo taken by Canon G9